Good morning, good afternoon and  good evening.

Episode 4 sees a varied and interesting conversation with friend, coach and podcast veteran Jack Graves. Internet failure cost us the last five minutes so I spoke for Jack in a reconstruction of our chat and represented his views as I believe he would want.

Find him on Instagram @thehealthcoachuk and Healthy Conversations podcast on Spotify.

Clearly a man who knows his trade and does his research and with a surprising love of Jazz.

Enjoy!