Today's episode is a sort of origin story, as Jackie and Joey talk about how they became a Designer and Developer, respectively.

In this episode we talk about the Practice Lead position inside APLE (Agile Practice Leadership Enablement) and how our expectations of the role have differed from reality.

Today we talk about the realization of importance of talking about the squishy stuff of being good consultants and coaches, as well as what it's like to leave and check-in with a client.

In our inaugural episode, we talk about why we're doing this podcast, why we joined our team, APLE (Agile Practice Leadership Enablement), a new service organization within Pivotal, and a bit about how we think we're going to famous.