Jake & JZ

It’s the end of Season 1 for Jake & JZ! In this mini episode, we announce that we’re taking a break to publish our new book Click and launch some other cool projects.

Shoot, we gave away the content of the episode in the show notes! Still, it’s worth tuning in to hear our conversation about:

• Jake’s new Elgato teleprompter (not an ad)
• The iContact Camera (also not an ad)
• Baby Mama and the gift of uninterrupted eye contact
• Why human visual perception is a prediction
• Why Zoom calls are so exhausting
• Visual ASMR

If you have ideas or requests for Season 2, please send us an email at [email protected]. We’d love to hear from you!

Thanks for listening and watching, and we’ll see you soon.

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A conversation with a founder inspired this discussion about maintaining freedom of movement while you build new products and companies. It might be the most important startup thing that nobody ever talks about: The need to stay nimble and not give away your advantages by pre-committing to decisions that steal your freedom of movement.

On episode 17 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

• How startups beat big companies
• Identifying your unique advantages in a Foundation Sprint
• Eight Sleep, but it’s not an ad!
• New and old sleep tactics that we use every night
• Recording the audiobook for Click
• And much more

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Two days after recording our last episode about AI, DeepSeek R1 was released, prompting some of you to ask us a set of new questions about how AI will affect the future of work, products, startups, and investing.

Jake is off this week, but we invited our cofounder and partner Eli Blee-Goldman back to help JZ answer these questions and — for at least a brief moment — get us caught up on the latest developments in the world of AI.

This week on episode 16 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

• Why DeepSeek R1 caused such a stir
• How AI innovation can come from anywhere
• Our 3 newest investments at Character Capital
• Types of AI founders (with examples!)
• Two important lessons from a Character founder
• Doing it right vs getting it right
• The downside of being able to build so quickly
• Our recent Foundation Sprint Bootcamp
• How we get better at sprints by learning from the community

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Our latest thoughts on AI! At Character Capital, most of our investments are in AI companies. How will recent advancements change how products are designed and startups are built? Our cofounder Eli Blee-Goldman returns to the podcast to share predictions and highlight the importance of human agency in an AGI future.

Quick note: This episode was recorded right before DeepSeek R1 came out. We have thoughts, of course 🤓 We’ll record a follow-up soon!

On episode 15 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

• What stays the same in an AGI future?
• The importance of agency
• The capabilities gap
• Doing meaningful work with people you like
• Surprising lessons from a Design Sprint with an AI bio startup
• What changes in an AGI future?
• How AI can close the gap between builders and customers
• AI ethics and sentience
• And much more

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10 years ago, we learned how caffeine really works, and it changed how we use, consume, and enjoy coffee. Tune in for a Jake & JZ deep dive on caffeine — from working with Blue Bottle, to our current coffee routines, to insights and tactics for making the most of this wonderful substance.

On episode 14 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

• How caffeine really works
• Learning about caffeine from Ryan Brown at Blue Bottle Coffee
• Going deeper for Make Time
• Two surprising caffeine insights
• Two helpful coffee tactics
• JZ’s favorite coffee maker: The OXO Brew
• Jake’s espresso machine: The Breville BES870XL
• Boon Boona Coffee
• A great book: Deskbound by Kelly Starrett (not about caffeine, still great)
• And much more

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We wrote a new book!!! It’s called Click and it’s all about the Foundation Sprint, our new 2-day method for kicking off big projects!

We are SUPER excited to share it with you all, and this week’s episode is a deep dive into the process of writing the book and how it fits into our investing strategy.

Learn more about the book at theclickbook.com

On episode 13 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

• How to get early access to Click
• The history of the Foundation Sprint
• Books that inspired us: Psychology of Money, Power of Habit, Building a Storybrand, The Heath Brothers’ books
• What we look for when we invest
• Why we had to share the Foundation Sprint

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ANNOUNCEMENT: We are hosting a live online event to introduce the Foundation Sprint!! Join us for an early look at our new sprint method and a cool surprise!

On the podcast: Character Labs is BACK, so this week we’re sharing a What-Why-How-style deep dive on the program. If you want to hear our best ideas and tactics for starting new projects, OR if you’re just curious about Character Labs, be sure to check out this episode.

On episode 12 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

• The most important moment for every new project
• That feeling when your product “clicks” with customers for the first time
• Lenny’s newsletter on How to know if you've got product-market fit
• The Founding Hypothesis (every project has one; do you know yours?)
• Getting just one customer
• How AI has changed prototyping in Character Labs
• And much more

Here’s that registration link for the event next week.

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We discuss three essential books that help us break through uncertainty and focus on the most important work. If you want to get better at designing products and building companies, we think you should read:

• Getting Real by 37signals, for how to get real about what matters
• Good Strategy Bad Strategy by Richard Rumelt, for how to give your business an unfair advantage
• Deep Work by Cal Newport, for staying focused and actually doing the work

On episode 11 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

• Why your business needs an enemy
• Insights from the “survival days” of successful companies (like the Startup Wayback Machine)
• Crafting strategy based on your unique advantages
• Why strategy is a hypothesis
• How to summarize an entire book in 25 words
• More lessons from journalism
• Bad graphic design

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Jake gets a bit vulnerable and talks about Perfection Anxiety, which he’s struggled with since childhood. If you ever feel stuck, or worry your work won’t be good enough, be sure to check out this episode — we share a BUNCH of concrete tactics for overcoming Perfection Anxiety and getting started.

On episode 10 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

• How to run two sprints in one week
• Winter in the Pacific Northwest
• Why discipline doesn’t work
• Working at newspapers
• A great podcast episode: Starbucks on Acquired
• A great newsletter: Spyglass by M.G. Siegler

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This episode is about our SINGLE BEST technique for avoiding distraction every day. In part two of our mini series on Make Time, Jake describes the Distraction-Free iPhone — which he started doing 10 years ago!! If you’re looking for a simple, powerful way to block distraction (ESPECIALLY after episode 8’s discussion of the Highlight Method), be sure to tune in.

On episode 9 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

• Lord Nelson and the importance of proper provisioning
• Attention Residue
• Why Jake deleted all the distracting apps from his phone (and what’s left)
• JZ’s experience with a Distraction-Free Phone (and what’s NOT on his phone today)
• Why LinkedIn is an adult website
• Treating colleagues as friends
• A great app: How We Feel
• A great Netflix series: Starting 5

Have a question for us? Send it to [email protected] and we’ll answer it on the show.

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