In this episode, we touch down on Azanian soil to unpack the life, legacy, and lasting threat of Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe. Though he passed in 1978, his ideas still echo powerfully in today’s political landscape—so much so that some believe there’s an ongoing effort to silence and bury what he truly stood for.

I’m joined by Baba Jaki Seroke, Deputy President of the Pan Africanist Congress of Azania (PAC), as we dig into the recent desecration of Sobukwe’s grave, his influence on Steve Biko, and the depth of his political and economic vision.

We also confront a difficult question: how does Sobukwe’s vision for Azania differ from what Nelson Mandela came to represent—and why has it been so challenging for his followers to fully carry his legacy forward?