In this week's podcast Richard Seroter talks to James Shore, author of The Art of Agile Development and one of the original signatories of the Agile Manifesto. Also on the podcast are Llewellyn Falco, creator of the open source testing tool ApprovalTests and co-founder of Teaching Kids Programming, and Rebecca Wirfs-Brock, inventor of Responsibility-Driven Design, as well as the author of books including Designing Object: Oriented Software and Object Design: Roles, Responsibilities and Collaborations.

Why listen to this podcast:

- A lot of people know how to do TDD and refactoring for the back end, but not for the font, but the basics are the same.

- The basics of Test-Driven Development are the same for the front or back end.

- If you don't know what's wrong, you don't know how to fix it.

- The most common code smells, according to Llewellyn Falco: Clutter, long lines, long methods, duplication, and inconsistency.

- How do we make, in an agile way, the architectural work visible, and not ignore it?

- How do you have an incremental architecture and get measurements? If I say to you I'm going to go away for six months and figure it out, that's not very measurable.

Notes and links can be found on InfoQ: http://bit.ly/1Pse2r1

1m:10s - The talk 'Agile Engineering for the Web' was about how do you bring typical Agile engineering ideas like TDD and refactoring to the front-end languages.

1m:33s - A lot of people know how to do these things on the back-end, but when you get to the front end a lot of people just throw up their hands.

2m:24s - I see CSS bugs all the time, because it's very hard to refactor CSS without breaking something.

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