The only person who has sold more books in Britain than Jamie Oliver is J. K. Rowling.

Jamie has been watched and read by millions. His enthusiasm for food is often infectious. His cooking and his campaigning have changed the way we eat.

I'm speaking about Jamie with Rachel Roddy, author of a regular column on Italian food for the Guardian.

We focus mainly on how Jamie, and others, have viewed food in Italy and I ask whether this helps explain why Jamie is often seen by some people as blaming poorer individuals for what he says are bad eating habits.

In this episode we mention Alberto Grandi, Carla Tomasi and Massimo Montanari.

Rachel is the author of An A-Z of Pasta, among other books on food.

The Full English is produced by Lewis Bassett. Mixing and sound design is from Forest DLG.

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