Today I'm coming to you with a conversation I had with Jelena Holodkova about how to actually move forward when you're stuck in the in-between phase.

Jelena is an IFS practitioner and breathwork teacher who works with people stuck in the messy middle, the in-between of an old life that's dissolved and a new one not yet formed.

About halfway through, she walks me through a live IFS session on my fear of being seen.

Timestamps

• 00:43 How Jelena went from banking in London to breathwork in Ibiza (the honeymoon story)
• 04:21 The people stuck in the messy middle, and why they can't think their way out
• 07:21 Nic goes first: a live IFS session on the fear of being seen
• 12:50 A memory surfaces from a fifth birthday
• 23:30 Burning the burden
• 35:00 Kabbalah, soul correction, and why your biggest fear is your assignment
• 41:30 "You're not stuck. A part of you feels stuck."
• 54:15 When forcing yourself works, and when it breaks you
• 59:30 What to do if you're feeling lost between lives

Find Jelena

• Instagram: @andalso.jel
• Website: andalso.space
• Learn more about her upcoming breathwork teacher training: andalso.space/breathworkteachertraining