On this episode, Angie speaks with Jen Silverman about her new novel, We Play Ourselves, inspired in-part by her own life as an award-winning playwright—minus the scandals! Angie and Jen talk about the blurred boundaries of a creative life, anger, why Jen draws sad pandas, and what lights her up.

Jen's book, We Play Ourselves, is available now, and there's a link to purchase it on our website, LitUpPodcast.com. Follow Jen on Instagram @this_panda_is_sad.

Lit Up is a Podcast from Sugar23. It's hosted by Angela Ledgerwood. The show is produced by Liam Billingham. Mike Mayer and Michael Sugar are the executive producers. The theme music is by Andrey Radovsky.