Jennifer and Kelly are PhDs who've written about Female Engagement teams and the role gender plays in the institutional assessment of teams. As we try to better understand modern combat, it's researchers like Keohane and Jakes that push us further past our comfort zone. Most friends of the show know Pete A Turner and Rich Ledet are published on the ethical pitfalls of female engagement in conflict zones. This is a high-powered convo as we grapple with the impact of gender on how we do war.