Jerry Engelmann used to work for the Mavs and the Suns, and now writes for former ESPN editor Royce Webb’s substack where he has been one of the most interesting writers of late with his controversial but data-driven opinions. You can subscribe at roycewebb.com/naterate and get a special deal for Dunc’d On listeners.

We get into a ton of interesting topics, including players Nate thinks might be overrated by Jerry’s metrics and why he disagrees, whether Alex Caruso is one of the best defensive players this century, the Hornets potentially trading for Anthony Davis, what the data says about injuries, and which players fall into Jerry’s “Quagmire” category that he believes no teams should ever acquire.

Jerry was also the creator of ESPN’s RPM, and he discusses the new metrics that he has up at xrapm.com.

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