Ralph and Michael dive into the Christian-Rock equivalent of Thriller and weigh DC Talk's evangelical credentials against DC Talk's counter-cultural inclinations. To whom is this album speaking? What is being said? Is it more than a collection of 1990s pastiche with religious lyrics? Maybe this album isn't what you remember. (Well, it probably is in a lot of ways, but there's more to it than that.)

Also, is there a DC Talk group-chat where these guys argue about politics? (We will not find an answer to that question, but if you were once a member of DC Talk, drop us a line and let us know.)

Later, we take a call from a listener in distress, Ralph converts "Just Between You and Me" into a delightful slab of reggae, and he and Michael turn that delightful slab of reggae into some spacey dub.

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