Jesus Pattern Son

HI yall. Well, we are transitioning to be able to meet virtually, through technology. I’m learning and you are too, probably. Perry Stone says revival will come through the lense of a camera. I hope it does, especially for him. He just had thousands of youth watching a set of meetings that couldn’t be held […]

Several things in the Purim story (Esther, Mordecai and Haman) are very prophetic. What I noticed today is that the King himself didn’t undo the bad decree, but let Esther and Mordecai head up the routing of Haman’s plans. The King, however, did take care of Haman, who died on his own gallows. We were […]

One of John Wesley’s most famous sermons was “The Cure of Evil Speaking.” “Evil speaking” comes from Ephesians 4: 31. Wesley translated it “vilification.” Modern Americans might say informally “speaking bad about a brother or sister in the Lord.” Wesley’s cure was Matthew 18. Once one considers the matter, one is given a great and […]

One of John Wesley’s most famous sermons was “The Cure of Evil Speaking.”  “Evil speaking” comes from Ephesians 4: 31. Wesley translated it “vilification.” Modern Americans might say informally “speaking bad about a brother or sister in the Lord.” Wesley’s cure was Matthew 18. Once one considers the matter, one is given a great and important insight.

We know that our words matter. However, this is a point, this speaking ill of other sons/daughters that has been overlooked, forgotten, not understood, or intentionally perverted. This is vital information for any who are intending ( or eve were once intending) to mature into the Sons/’Uios of God.

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If one wishes to build a tall building, and not have it fall down, then a good foundation is in order. Since John Wesley was the first person known to preach perfection, and since he had no scandals and is agreed to have been a responsible and charismatic leader, let us see — and pay attention to — the foundation he laid.

More recent sonship movements have become skewed, faltering, and even perverse when they left the basic doctrine of salvation. Let’s review those in Wesley’s 4 point sermon that he gave all helpers. He made it simple so that uneducated men and women could preach. Here are the 4 points: All people must be saved. All people can be saved. All people can know they are saved. All can be saved to the uttermost/max. (Modern language.)

If we forget that Jesus’ work saved us, we get off track. However, we have not gone the full way if we don’t consider that we can be saved to the max. That is sonship.

 

BTW, there is more from Wesley on the podcast. Please be sure you are subscribed on a podcast platform. Doesn’t look like I have up a way to subscribe to this blog. If you want that, you may let me know. Thanks.

If one wishes to build a tall building, and not have it fall down, then a good foundation is in order. Since John Wesley was the first person known to preach perfection, and since he had no scandals and is agreed to have been a responsible and charismatic leader, let us see — and pay attention to — the foundation he laid.

More recent sonship movements have become skewed, faltering, and even perverse when they left the basic doctrine of salvation. Let’s review those in Wesley’s 4 point sermon that he gave all helpers. He made it simple so that uneducated men and women could preach. Here are the 4 points: All people must be saved. All people can be saved. All people can know they are saved. All can be saved to the uttermost/max. (Modern language.)

If we forget that Jesus’ work saved us, we get off track. However, we have not gone the full way if we don’t consider that we can be saved to the max. That is sonship.

 

BTW, there is more from Wesley on the podcast. Please be sure you are subscribed on a podcast platform. Doesn’t look like I have up a way to subscribe to this blog. If you want that, you may let me know. Thanks.

John Wesley, Anglican clergyman and movement founder and ultimately founder of the Methodist traditions, did teach that perfection was possible. He is the first person, I believe, to preach such a thing. It was controversial. However, we have his published writings on the topic. Indeed, we have a a series of writing, so we can see his thought. This is what he said.

You may obtain a copy of the official version on this link.  It is widely available and still, occasionally, discussed. It  is not believed by any Methodist church. It is not the same as any holiness group believes now. I submit to you, however, that given that John Wesley began the discussion about holiness in our culture and church history, that we should give him a good listen — at the very least. We will learn much. It is respecting the fathers of the faith, if nothing else.

I commend this to your study. I think it will both encourage us and correct us, if we study Wesley’s doctrine of perfection.

John Wesley, Anglican clergyman and movement founder and ultimately founder of the Methodist traditions, did teach that perfection was possible. He is the first person, I believe, to preach such a thing. It was controversial. However, we have his published writings on the topic. Indeed, we have a a series of writing, so we can see his thought. This is what he said.

You may obtain a copy of the official version on this link.  It is widely available and still, occasionally, discussed. It  is not believed by any Methodist church. It is not the same as any holiness group believes now. I submit to you, however, that given that John Wesley began the discussion about holiness in our culture and church history, that we should give him a good listen — at the very least. We will learn much. It is respecting the fathers of the faith, if nothing else.

I commend this to your study. I think it will both encourage us and correct us, if we study Wesley’s doctrine of perfection.

WOW! I recently found out that ” ‘uois” the Greek work for mature sons shows up in Scripture 7 times. AMAZING.

And with all the preaching I have heard on sonship doctrine, I never heard this. Have you?

If you are new to sonship doctrine, this will establish what is up — that there are such a thing as mature, human offspring of God. BTW, in the plural, in Greek, sons and daughters would be rendered “sons.” So I say “sons” in English, but that is NOT intended to exclude women, even though English has changed on this point.

If you are not new, you will find some surprises here. Firstly, the Greek doesn’t match up to the King James English, so at least one passage that we started with is out. It makes a big difference to the method. Then, there is another passage that is in. The English doesn’t make it clear that the children/sons being mentioned are mature. Once again, it makes a huge difference — in method.

Please share this with those interested. You might leave a 5 star rating on iTunes or your favorite podcast. While it is vulnerable to let people know about this and who I am, still, I think it so very important for the freedom, salvation, and encouragement so very many.

 

Editor: oops, more than that. Found some more. Working on final count, but hindered because don’t have a concordance IN GREEK. Let me know, if you do. More than 7, anyway.

WOW! I recently found out that ” ‘uois” the Greek work for mature sons shows up in Scripture 7 times. AMAZING.

And with all the preaching I have heard on sonship doctrine, I never heard this. Have you?

If you are new to sonship doctrine, this will establish what is up — that there are such a thing as mature, human offspring of God. BTW, in the plural, in Greek, sons and daughters would be rendered “sons.” So I say “sons” in English, but that is NOT intended to exclude women, even though English has changed on this point.

If you are not new, you will find some surprises here. Firstly, the Greek doesn’t match up to the King James English, so at least one passage that we started with is out. It makes a big difference to the method. Then, there is another passage that is in. The English doesn’t make it clear that the children/sons being mentioned are mature. Once again, it makes a huge difference — in method.

Please share this with those interested. You might leave a 5 star rating on iTunes or your favorite podcast. While it is vulnerable to let people know about this and who I am, still, I think it so very important for the freedom, salvation, and encouragement so very many.

 

Editor: oops, more than that. Found some more. Working on final count. More than 7, anyway.