Holly meant to hear Joanna's thoughts on deconstruction, but Joanna just gets Holly talking about her dating life instead. Holly romanticizes liturgy in Catholic and Anglican churches and confesses belonging to a non-affirming church. Then, Joanna shares about beginning spiritual direction, working at a domestic violence shelter, and relating with her Russian partner. Join Joanna and Holly as they connect over being Asian American and raised in a fundamentalist immigrant church. Translations below.

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Joanna: I think the *dessert and snacks* part where everyone's mingling is like...

Holly: ...and process, like, Chinese New Year and do I *bow during ancestor veneration*?  Those sorts of things.