Joey Santore a former Train engineer and punk rocker who autodidacted himself into a PhD grade naturalist joins Pete A Turner on the Break It Down Show. Us folks here at BIDS love nature. Our pal Dave Raetz has brought a number of other naturalist guests to the show. When we stop and look around at nature, we're all struck with wonder. The land around us is alive. Things want to live and find ways to make do even in the most inhospitable places. Joey's work is captured in his videos, book, blog, podcast, YouTube channel. It all fits under the name, "Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't" Joey lives waaaay out in West Texas, you're gonna love this episode. A BIG smile and hug to cohost Dane Norton, Pete's youngest brother who joins us today on the show.