Max Porter joins me to talk about the work of the late author and illustrator John Burningham who created Avocado Baby, Mr Gumpy's Day Out and Borka among many, many other beloved picture books. Max is the award-winning author of several books including Grief is the Thing with Feathers, which was adapted into a play starring Cillian Murphy, and most recently Shy. We chat about the alchemy of words and pictures together, frameworks of good and bad for art and beauty and the idea of childhood imagination as vengeance on the banality of the adult world - as well as playing a Burningham-inspired game of Would You Rather?

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Next week's episode features Angie Thomas on Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry. The podcast is produced by Adam Collier with artwork by Hester Kitchen.

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