In this Schumacher Conversation, John McKnight and Gar Alperovitz discuss the centrality of community and appropriate scale in building a new economy, deliberate the necessary balance between the local and the global, and reflect on the importance of perseverance in creating meaningful change. The conversation took place on July 22, 2020 and was moderated by Jodie Evans, Schumacher Center board member and co-founder and co-director of CODEPINK.