The defund the police theory? How do we get some insight on what that looks like?  We grab folks who've tried to create police forces from the ground up...shaping a community with modern design, theory and support.  John Spencer is a recognized expert in warfare, and has deployed more than once in a capacity as a police trainer. What can we learn from someone who specific job was to create community stability and competence with the police? Turns out, quite a lot. Pete A Turner Hosts