Jonathan Dodson is the founding pastor of City Life Church in Austin, TX.

He is also the founder of Gospel-Centered Discipleship and is author of a number of books including Here in Spirit, The Unbelievable Gospel, and the book he joined me to talk about Our Good Crisis: Overcoming Moral Chaos with the Beatitudes.

He joined me to talk about the meaning of crisis and how the beatitudes are a tool for overcoming moral chaos.