In this episode, I get to catchup with an old friend from childhood, Jonathon Lopez. A Waco native who now lives in Austin, Jonathon is part software developer, musician, and budding astrologer. In our talk, he shares about the dichotomy that was created in him when he was introduced to the christian church, creating a new sense of right and wrong and becoming a judge for himself and others. Some interesting questions arise surrounding the root source of shame in our lives.