This episode is so powerful! Josefina & Jay share their journey through miscarriage & infertility and how they learned to lean on each other and guard their joy throughout life's most challenging moments. They also share strategies they have learned to work through conflict together. 

Josefina is an artist, author, advocate, and art therapy student and her husband Jay is a pastor and speaker. As you can imagine, these two are GOOD AT WORDS. We are so grateful to have them share so much wisdom with us and with you! Plus, Mallory & Stranz also talk briefly about their most recent Hanger Argument.  

At the end of each episode we give you three "Work It" Takeaways to sit down with your partner and discuss to help make your marriage work just a little bit better. 

Josefina's Instagram: @loveoffering

Jay's Instagram: @iamjaysanders

Josefina's books including The Mourning Sister

Follow along on Instagram for more relationship tips @makemarriagework

Mallory's website: www.mallorywolfgramm.com

Podcast inquiries: [email protected] 

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