While in El Salvador, Anita, whom you have to meet if you have not already, arranged for us to visit his farm. What a surprise to find his work, his views, and his family all creating and living sustainably. It was a beautiful experience, and I'm happy to share it with you. This podcast is not the full recording, nor is it an interview. It is a recording that I took, that he allowed me to share, and to help bring context I have included my voice as commentary and discussing with you as my audience what he discussed with us when we visited.