Humbled by this lovely conversation with the Executive Director of OutCenter, Mary Jo Schnell. Mary Jo talks to us about leading with empathy and listening deeply to all people, even those we fundamentally disagree with. We can’t connect with others in meaningful ways if we don’t “stay at the table.” Mary Jo walks us through a vision of building an inclusive future rooted in community, equality for all, and intersectionality. May we each be the vision bearers and light bringers for such a beautiful future. 

Cool stuff we mention this episode (or meant to anyways):             

•  OutCenter
• On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder
• How to Stand Up to a Dictator - Maria Ressa
• My Gender is the Undoing of Gender by Andrea Gibson
• Good Grief by Andrea Gibson

Chapters
00:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery
02:41 The Role of the Out Center
05:12 Mary Jo's Background and Nonprofit Experience
10:25 Building Community and Support for LGBTQ Youth
16:15 The Importance of Education and Advocacy
21:24 Navigating Systemic Challenges
26:17 Guides and Influences on the Journey
36:30 The Unmasking of the Movement
38:29 Community Resilience and Local Action
43:42 Empathy as a Tool for Connection
48:53 Navigating Tyranny and Advocacy
58:54 The Importance of Staying at the Table