Life doesn't stop being hard just because you decide to grow. There are seasons that take you out at the knees, sucker-punch your heart, and leave you wondering how you're supposed to carry on being a parent, a partner, a leader, or a business owner.

In this conversation, Hannah Chapman CFP®, APMA®, CRPC® and Joy Alchemist & author Jan Hoath explore what it really means to choose joy anyway — not as a bypass, but as a way of honoring the full spectrum of your humanity: the grief, the mess, the doubt, the “super sucky” circumstances, and the quiet, ordinary magic of being alive.

Learn about:

Jan's acronym JOY: “Just Own You”

The “deep end of joy” swimming pool metaphor

Why your capacity to be with your own pain directly expands your capacity for real joy

How presence, permission, and celebration change what's possible in your life

How to find joy in the middle of real life — not after everything is fixed

Connect with Jan here:

Jan's Book: JoyAnywayBook.com

Book a Call: CallWithJoy.com

Website: JanHoath.com

Connect with Hannah here:

X² Wealth Planning Website: https://x2wealthplanning.com/

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