What happens when a trial lawyer hears God tell him to “just leave”?

In this powerful and joy-filled conversation, Mike Pacer shares his remarkable journey from the courtroom to Catholic ministry, publishing, and ultimately the founding of 5 Stones, a powerhouse partner for some of the world's top Catholic apostolates.

Paul Kolker, Nick Bezner, and Jeff Schiefelbein dive deep into:

- The story behind 5 Stones and how its five core services empower evangelization.

- Mike’s book “Prayers for Catholic Men” and why prayer is both structure and surrender.

- Honest talk about spiritual dryness, discernment, and trusting God when consolations fade.

- The balance of humility and leadership in building faith-filled workplaces.

- A hilariously improvised round of Blessed Are the Joke Makers (complete with a Father Mike Schmitz impersonation).

From arm-rubbing mix-ups in Salt Lake City to authentic lessons on faith, fatherhood, and business, this episode captures the BeatiDudes blend of comedy and Catholic conviction.

Learn more about 5 Stones

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 Books by Mike Pacer

Prayers for catholic Men

Mercy and Hope

The Three Comings of Christ - Daily Meditations for Advent

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