Dr John Lee, former NHS consultant pathologist blasts off to Planet Normal alongside Telegraph columnists Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan. He tells listeners why he believes the cost of coronavirus lockdowns has been hugely underestimated, and urges the government to take a look at the bigger picture. There is more to life than Covid, he tells us, as our co-pilots nod heartily in agreement.

Also on the podcast: Allison opens up on a very personal struggle, Liam calls for the PM to reveal the roadmap out of lockdown, and the weekend's Six Nations result causes tension between our presenters.

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