Some advice we got when planting a church in Colorado was "just don't fight the skiing thing". Are we stupid, stubborn, or - dare we say biblical - enough to ignore that advice?

Dr. David Gustafson, professor of Evangelism and Missional Ministry at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, joins Matt and Chase to talk about what it means to be "winsome". How has winsomeness and evangelism worked together or clashed throughout the history of the Christian church?

What does it mean to "go" to a church? Does Matt regret everything he's said about "being" the church? What makes physical presence at a church important?

What does it mean when we say from the pulpit that we want our town to become more Christian? We talk about how the world views Christianity, and what that means for the joy and good of our city, state, and nation.

Matt and Chase discuss why "Just Say It", birthed out of casual office convos, is now available as a resource for the church and hint at what to expect over the coming season of the podcast.