Jutta Eckstein is the author of the Leanpub book Author of Company-wide Agility with Beyond Budgeting, Open Space & Sociocracy: Survive & Thrive on Disruption. In this interview, Leanpub co-founder Len Epp talks with Jutta about her background in tech, how pair programming works, "consent decision making," "Beyond Budgeting," her books, and at the end, they talk a little bit about her experience as a self-published author.

This interview was recorded on May 25, 2018.

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This interview has been edited for conciseness and clarity.