Kangaroo Wants to Fight... Troy is joined by Craig Thorn and Nathan Lefebvre from Beer and Other Shit - or BAOS, as most know it as - a multimedia craft beer platform that’s been serving up content since 2015. Alongside co-host Tiffany Alexis Davey (Thorn's better half), the BAOS crew produces one of the longest-running beer podcasts around, featuring in-depth conversations with brewers, owners, and industry insiders. Their episodes dive into everything from brewing techniques and marketing strategies to the personal stories that shape the people behind the pours and pints.  

Beyond the podcast, BAOS keeps busy with beer reviews, brewery visits, and candid one-on-ones through their YouTube web series and blog - including pieces like “Top 10 Breweries in Ontario for 2024” (EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN’T CHOOSE GLB). Craig and Tiffany also founded Link UP, a not-for-profit aimed at increasing BIPOC representation in craft beer through collaboration, education, and access. With 2025 marking their 10th anniversary, they’re throwing a celebratory beer festival in partnership with breweries across Ontario and Quebec, and we got in on the fun by brewing Kangaroo Wants to Fight IPA together. In this episode, we’ll cover the BAOS origin story, the impact of Link UP, what’s in store for the big anniversary, and why Thorn can’t stop screaming in photos.  

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