In this episode, Ken Shuman digs deeper into the concept of differentiation in relationships by speaking of what we mean when we say we are "close" to someone. "Typically," he states, "people define closeness as sameness." Ken unpacks this notion and asks the group how they behave when they discover someone they feel close to is different, or when that person disappoints them. What do they do with their anxiety? And how can we increase our capacity to let others be exactly who they are and to be exactly who we are ourselves?

This episode was recorded on September 5th, 2025.