In this episode, Jessica and I begin with a question: How does one stay rooted in beauty without being consumed by it?

Our conversation traces the slow emergence of Babalon—the archetypal force of erotic creativity, sovereignty, and sacred presence—as she rises from beneath perception and into felt experience. We explore how this creative power nourishes when embodied, but also how it can distort when separated from feeling.

We draw on priestess and magician lineages to consider what it means to grow in relation to beauty—to open without losing oneself, to feel deeply without flooding, and to hold the creative current with integrity.

This is an episode for those navigating the subtle path between inspiration and fragmentation, and seeking to rise gently, steadily, into the sacred power of presence.

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Jessica Christine is the creator of DeerWomen. Her work has been featured internationally. As a Creative Director, she has brought together worlds and traveled worldwide with event management, welcoming and taking care of all needs of visiting high-profile ambassadors, including royals of Belgium. As a STEM teacher, she has taught coding and 3D printing through gaming and robotics. Mentored by Francesca Lia Block, Maja D'Aoust and attended the Royal Academy of Fine Arts in Antwerp, Belgium amongst others. 

At an early age, she cultivated a strong interest in mythology, evolution, travel, and esoteric sciences and applied those interests to the several facets of visual arts. In 2006 she began traveling to the Middle East, where she lived and worked for a number of years. In 2010, she launched DeerWomen, a world to combine her fascination with the art of travel, tea and folklore's long and wonderful history of ritual objects with intent. In 2022, we welcome DeerWomen’s reopening in the heart of Belgium, Antwerpen.

Jessica strives to join the quiet intimacy and elegance of herbs with the magic of storytelling: narratives that emerge from myths, cultures, and stories, both new and old; universal and personal.

Moreover, every work of art holds beauty and strength over time while imbuing the atmosphere of unique traditions and histories. Pieces are sourced from around the globe, made from nature and crafted with intention.

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Songs for the Witch Woman by Jack Parsons & Marjorie Cameron

Poems written and read by Marjorie Cameron from An Evening with Cameron - MOCA U - MOCAtv
An interview with Kenneth Anger on Cameron, Jack Parsons etc - Düsseldorf 18.II.2013

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In Khimaira’s premiere episode, Nancy joins V to talk about names, birds, friendship, and the quiet ways we learn from each other. It’s a conversation about staying open — to language, to love, and to the surprising knowledge that comes from other people when we allow ourselves to be vulnerable. This episode is an offering, a shared moment of reflection on how we learn from those we love and what it means to listen with when seated in care.

This episode features original sound art by Yīxiāo, titled Bird Seeds, as well as field recordings of birds captured by Nancy and V

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Yīxiāo Yao is a Chinese interdisciplinary artist/researcher. They utilize texts, sound, images, paint, clay, letters, common substances, and their own body in work. Using real, constructed, mediated materials in and out of archives they are able to compose, curate intra-actional exchanges, and invite the participation of active viewership, readership and thinkership. They have curated/participated/published work in Ohklahomo, Mayfield, Open Art Studio, SITE Gallery, The LGBTQ+ Intergenerational Dialogue Project, Friends Gallery, and No Nation Art Lab. 

Yīxiāo received a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree with honours from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, Department of Visual Critical Studies. They received their Master of Arts degree from Rice University, Department of Religion. 

They are currently based in Chicago.

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This week, we are engaging in something a bit different. For those of you keeping up with me on the socials, you might be informed that I have survived something very intense and frightening lately. It caused me to realize a lot about how I was navigating the world versus how I imagined myself able to sail through. In the end, every part of me had to die. The person who moved from New Orleans to Houston sits on my ancestor altar now, a ghost of someone I had to sacrifice in order to still be here talking to you. 

 Let SaturnVox now be known as the multimedia platform from which the artist and priestess who channels her generative creations be named. Metamorphosis means transformation, and SaturnVox, a mother, will now give birth to many children. Only one of which being a podcast. So this may be the last episode that bears the weight of Saturn’s voice, but it is not the last podcast that carries the rumble of my own. Starting sometime around the winter solstice, a new podcast will be born. Chimera, her name. 

But this happening in this moment is still the SaturnVox Podcast. That will be then, and this is now. Though this swan song is a bridge of sorts, as there is no cup of tea here. Instead, it’s the coffee shared with comr//ades before a protest. It’s the soup made to feed those displaced. Chimera will be that too—but only as one of its many parts. For now, in this moment, soup is all I have the energy to stew for you. Therefore, instead of one interview, I offer you four, followed by a final monologue by me, alone. Something different, yet similar, still somehow new. 

Across these conversations, a central theme of otherness will emerge as each guest reflects on what it means to live at the edges of societal norms. Through their unique journeys—whether shaped by gender, race, sexuality, or spirituality—they confront what it means to be labeled as outcasts and the strength that comes with embracing that difference.

We also explore transformation, the shifting of the self that happens when one becomes the monster. From Cody’s deeply personal explorations to Miranda’s intuitively artistic expressions, to David’s insightful reflections on spirituality, we see how embracing the monstrous allows for profound metamorphosis—a path to a more authentic self.

As the conversations unfold, there’s a reflection on power—how the monstrous can offer a different perspective on empathy, not as a universal mandate, but as a choice we navigate in a world that often demands detachment. Ending on Vincent’s insights, we are confronted with the challenge of traditional boundaries, and of what it means to care and connect, while still recognizing the humanity in those labeled monstrous, for whatever means.

This episode ultimately reveals the generative power of monstrosity. In creating outside of the lines society draws, there is a deep well of potential. Whether through artistic practice, spiritual engagement, or simply existing as one's true self, these conversations remind us that to be monstrous is not only to be feared or cast out, but to harness the creative force that reshapes the world from the margins.

So put on your cave-raiding gear, and let's dive inside together to explore this great abyss that separates us and gives us the ability to transform each moment beyond the limits of humans or monsters into the imaginative space of Chimera, where everything is old and yet somehow new. All this and more, on today’s episode of SaturnVox. 

This week, we welcome interdisciplinary artist, diviner, writer and educator J.M. Hamade of starnightdwell onto the pod to chat about their forthcoming publication with Revelore Press on the Lunar Stations! Jay takes us on a journey through the tapestry of night, shining a scholarly light, fused with a sense of artistic and praxis embodiment, onto a mystical lineage that envelops the imagination and produces the Divine Speech of the Birds. 

How does one envision their own art of cave-dwelling, of womb diving, of going into that dark space and emerging with images? What does it mean to view the stars through a lunar aperture, with the moon as music, the moon as letter, the moon as mouth? How does one practice becoming the image by becoming sound, which is a full-bodied experience, when the Lunar Stations are acknowledged, witnessed, and put into play? All this and more, on today’s episode of SaturnVox.

To find more on Jay and his podcast Starnightdwell, check out their website, where you can quick link to whatever your favorite podcast listening host client might be. If you want to support them and their show, you can also sub to their Patreon, or follow them on Instagram to see when new episodes and workshops are released. Last but not least, don’t sleep on keeping an eye out on theirs and the @revelorepress page for announcements about Jay’s forthcoming publication release, Procession of the Night Theatre: An Exposition on the Lunar Stations by J.M. Hamade

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. This podcast is brought in part by listeners like you. If you want to support the show and its humble host, hop on over to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can listen to extended episode content and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @tornado_bedtime

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooer and illustrator @floodtower

SHOW NOTES:

The Arts of the Artist - SaturnVox

The Sun of Knowledge - Spirit BoxShams al-Ma’arif - Witchhassel

Shams al-Ma’arif - What Magic is This?

Shams al-Ma’arif - The Sun of Knowledge: An Arabic Grimoire: A selected Translation by Ahmad ibn ‘Ali al-Buni Translated from the Arabic by Amina Inloes, PhD with commentary and illustrations by J.M. Hamade

Meta-Image, Divination, and Occult Podcasting - Starnightdwell

Consecration of the Twenty-Eight Faces of Mēnē - Digital Ambler

This week, we welcome traditional witch, cunning woman, and fairy doctor, Briar of the Greene Chapel, onto the pod to talk about their practice within the context of French fairy seership, holding right relations with the good neighbors, and their work as a fairy doctor. We also explore their recently published research on the potential connections between the fairy faith and the story of Joan of Arc. What does hospitality mean to the fae? What are the burdens and responsibilities of those who have been marked? How might we, as humans, best navigate the mercurial logic of the fae and their liminality? What is the importance of accepting we already live in an enchanted world? And, what does all of this have to do with Joan? All this and more, on today’s episode of SaturnVox 

To find more on Briar, check out their Instagram @greene_chapel, and don't forget to check out their website to shop spellwork and look into divination services. 

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. Don't forget to hop on to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can further support the show, listen to extended episode content, and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @tornado_bedtime

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooer and illustrator @floodtower

SHOW NOTES:

Lailoken, from Wending Wares

Lee Morgan

Joan of Arc as Fairy Saint (?)

This week, we welcome tattooist, conjurer, and practitioner of the occult arts, Gary Noriyui onto the pod to talk about their practice with Thai occult and tattooing. Gary shares with us stories about their journey as a practitioner, which speak on respect for one's ancestors, elders, and the traditions one is involved with. How can we grow as individuals by leaning into a more co-creative engagement with our communities, both living and dead? Why is it important to find and rely on elders? And what does Baphomet have to do with this? All this and more on today’s episode, of SaturnVox

To find more on Gary, check out their instagram @garynori and make sure to check out the website for Manticore’s Den to check out their shop and divination services. 

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. Don't forget to hop on to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can further support the show, listen to extended episode content, and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, a traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @tornado_bedtime

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooer and illustrator @floodtower

This week, we welcome mystic, sorcerer, artist, and writer David Davis onto the pod to chat about meeting and making sense of the martial mystery. The future is still being dreamed up by all of us. Are you honoring the revolutionary spark of madness that inspires someone to go out and do something? David and I chat about Mars as the moment of radicalization, the initiatory moment of the surgeon's knife as it cuts out what is making the self and society sick. We speak on donning the cloak of the monster, and the sensuality of mysticism as we navigate new ways to speak narratives which allow us to use Mars’s power of hatred and discernment to bind the oppressor and reframe our stories towards that of liberation and compassion for all beings. How do we bind the beast of oppression? In what ways does shame protect us from our own tendencies towards violence? What does it mean to be in active service and communion with martial energy and why is it that the best weapon against mars is also mars? We touch on healing, revolution, and the power of anger to get shit done. Join us for this pertinent and important conversation towards allowing in a heated knife to cauterize wounds. All this and more poetry, on today’s episode of SaturnVox 

To find more on David, check out their instagram @porouspalms, and make sure to check out their website to check out their shop and divination services. You can also keep up with their writing and receive other goodies by subscribing to them on Patreon.

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. Don't forget to hop on to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can further support the show, listen to extended episode content, and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @tornado_bedtime

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooer and illustrator @floodtower

SHOW NOTES:Sylvan-Sabbats & Night-Surgeons: Crossing a Hedge to Meet Planetary Witch Parents with Sasha Ravich

Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire

The Ceremony Found: Towards the Autopoetic Turn/Overturn, its Autonomy of Human Agency and Extraterritoriality of (Self-)Cognition by Sylvia Wynter

There Is No Revolution without Madness by Ismatu Gwendolyn

The Wretched of the Earth by Franz Fanon

Nat Turner

This week, we welcome artist, astrologer, gold and silversmith, and talisman maker extraordinaire Genie Desert onto the podcast to chat about the intersection between art and academia. Genie has been making incredibly breathtaking talismans for the fixed stars and planets, and when I received my own for Alcyone, I was struck by the incredible research and source materials Genie drew from to produce this potent piece of magic and art. This begins a discussion on the rejection of binaries, the horrors of enlightenment, the necessity of Art as medicine, and the exaltation of dance among metaphors for weaving in and out of the tension of things. We chat identity, academia, and a little bit of philosophy, all with a focus on Art and Imagination as a practice in both the craft of life and the crooked path. I thoroughly enjoyed and was inspired by Genie’s compassion of the heart and expansion of the mind and her attention to utilizing language metaphors that give space and healing for the Self’s relationship with the body. I do not doubt you will find it inspiring, too. 

To find more on Genie, check out their instagram @tides.of.tethys, and make sure to check out their website to sign up for their newsletter to be one of the first to lay claim to upcoming talismans they are making! Finally, don’t sleep on their presentation at this year’s Astro Magia conference, Nov 2023, where they will be presenting along with a bunch of other amazing speakers, former guests of this show, and friends of your humble host. 

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. Don't forget to hop on to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can further support the show, listen to extended episode content, and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @glitches_in_the_night_sky

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooist and illustrator @floodtower

SHOW NOTES:

Viridis Genii Series 6, Vol 1

Foucault, The History of Sexuality Volume 1

Bataille, The Solar Anus

This week we are welcoming author, artist, and student of astrology, Arturo Martinini to talk about Arturo's most recently published book through Revelore Press titled, The Oracle of DelphAI, an artistic rendition of the astrological image talismans representative of the seven traditional planets, the zodiacal signs, the decans, the fixed stars, and the lunar mansions co-created by Arturo with a little help from a non-human entity, that of AI. We discuss the ethical and ontological nature of using such a tool in talismanic creation, Arturo's process in creating the book, and how other practitioners might find the book useful. This convo is an open dialog on embarking wild new technological frontiers, as well as, the ethics and ethos in the praxis of confronting the other and human’s relationship to technological unknowns, as well as, one’s ability to navigate capital and the need to access power and agency for one’s self in the world. I quite enjoyed this conversation with a dear friend, and hope it opens up a dialog of critical questions and theories on the intersection between magic, technology, and art for you. 

To support this project and get a copy of the book for yourself, head over to the Revelore Press website to purchase it here. Feel free to also contact Arturo via email at [email protected]

To find more on SaturnVox, check out their ⁠instagram⁠ @saturnvox, or, visit their website ⁠saturnvox.com⁠. Don't forget to hop on to the Patreon at ⁠www.patreon.com/saturnvox⁠ where you can further support the show, listen to extended episode content, and join in on our community discord server. 

Original music for the podcast performed by Jules M. Dooley, traditional astrologer and sound artist. Follow his experiments with astrology + sound + ai visuals on IG: @glitches_in_the_night_sky

Fallen Angel graphic drawn by the incandescent tattooer and illustrator @floodtower

SHOW NOTES:

Christopher Warnock

Shams al-Ma’arif: A selected Translation by Ahmad ibn ‘Ali al-Buni, Translated from the Arabic by Dr. Amina Inloes, with commentary and illustrations by J.M. Hamade

Revelore Press

Nina Gryphon

Demetra George