Where Matthias sits down with Kim Brophey (unfortunately without Lauren) to talk about why many discussions on methodology seem to miss the mark, how the absence of problematic behaviour does not equal good welfare, and Kim's ambitions to help trainers better assess the welfare of the dogs with whom they work.

Also, the fact that Matthias' wife (reluctantly) listened to the podcast for the first time, the dog park that ruined everything, and increasing child welfare by letting them roam.

Kim has kindly offered Dog and Pony listeners 30% off of her LEGS 2.0 course, using the code DOGANDPONY :

Kim Brophey's LEGS 2.0

The Dog's Truth Free Course