Not Another Dog and Pony Show

Where we sit down to talk with Jay Jack about choosing expression and/or control in animal training, how using R- to train clients hurts progress, and what reliable adherence to a minimum standard gets you.

Also, Lauren lets slip a little Husky dislike, fooling ourselves about the opinions of others, and upping your explaining game.

Jay's website

GRC Dog Sports

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Where we sit down to talk about Matthias' recent work/play trip to South Africa, Lauren's big news, and if gatekeeping important info could be better for our industry, and the animals we serve.

Also, elephant rutting season smell-o-vision, angles of approach, and Mommas-don't-let-your-passion-become-your-profession woes.

South African Guide Dog Association

The Conversations podcast episode about Tagalaka man Victor Steffensen's journey to becoming a cultural burning expert.

Where Lauren and Matthias sit down to talk about the end of the search bar as we know it (and how that might impact your business), animal behaviour and training conference formats, and 'liberty' training both dogs and horses
Also, Team Erin, mouth money, and absolutely not aliens.

CBC Radio 'So Long Google Search Bar' segment
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Where Lauren sits down with Gretta Ford (unfortunately without Matthias) to talk about how underpricing our services, the wrong marketing, and the social media hamster wheel all impact our businesses. And what we can do instead.

Also, the flattened nuance trap, architectural firm websites, and what makes Lauren's armpits really sweaty.

⁠Gretta's Make it Click Freebie⁠

⁠Gretta's Base Rate Calculator⁠

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Where Matthias sits down with Kim Brophey (unfortunately without Lauren) to talk about why many discussions on methodology seem to miss the mark, how the absence of problematic behaviour does not equal good welfare, and Kim's ambitions to help trainers better assess the welfare of the dogs with whom they work.

Also, the fact that Matthias' wife (reluctantly) listened to the podcast for the first time, the dog park that ruined everything, and increasing child welfare by letting them roam.

Kim has kindly offered Dog and Pony listeners 30% off of her LEGS 2.0 course, using the code DOGANDPONY :

Kim Brophey's LEGS 2.0

The Dog's Truth Free Course

Where we sit down together to talk about what makes a great trainer, if someone needs to be a good trainer to be a teacher of trainers, and being the best insect you can be.

Also, we argue about responsibility for solving clients' problems, what to do when your ADHD writes notes to future self, and we both agree that Matthias isn't a great trainer.

Gretta Ford's Set Up to Succeed 

Lauren's jazzy new website and services

And needle-shy horse programs coming very soon! 

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Where we sit down with Ken Ramirez to talk about approximating people towards behaviour change, minimizing membership extremism in your organization, and how it's OK - even good - to teach others who train differently than you.

Also, Ken as cult leader, the perils of gatekeeping aversive instruction, and the humane hierarchy as guidebook, not rigid roadmap.

Ken on IG

KPA website

The Ranch website ⁠⁠⁠Topic or guest suggestions? Fan mail? Hate mail? We love to hear from you all! Email ⁠[email protected]⁠

Where we sit down with Jeff Silverman to talk about if Enshitification is coming to animal training, AI-proofing your animal training business, and how humans will always be needed in our industry.

Also, irresistible 'high touch' services for clients, how professional associations could/should step up for their membership during these weird days, and Jeff's (not-so-secret now) speciality Chippendales act.

Training Tracks⁠

⁠Training Tracks Website

Enshitification Talk

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Where we sit down with Pat Stuart to talk providing clarity via consequences, where Pat and Lauren differ in who they will teach about the use of aversives, and management & avoidance vs training & exposure.

Also, what inherently saves Lauren from doing dumb things, the fear of telling people who you're learning from, and the perils of projecting your beliefs of what people will do with aversives onto others.

Pat's Serious Dog Business

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Where we sit down with veterinary behaviour resident Dr Nita Hynes to talk about veterinary behaviourist/trainer/behaviour consultant collabs, challenges and ethical considerations in the shelter world, and 'drugging' dogs as a panacea.

Also, cat owners as MVP clients, losing your podcast virginity, and absolutely zero talk about AI dog training apps.

Dr Nita's website

Dr Nita's Instagram

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