Where we sit down together to talk about some of the mistakes we've made with horses and dogs, Lauren's secret to having hair that people will compliment, and how Matthias was duped to give up deeply personal items - all in the name of training.

Also, sketchy round pens you shouldn't use (reverse or otherwise), when being 'kinder' might be a mistake, and what not to say when a person gets bucked off.

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Where we sit down with Erin Lynes to talk about that Fetch post making the social media rounds, how many Labradors are too many, and what "fetch" means to different people - and dogs.

Also, the Fetch equivalents with horses, being mindful of what patterns we’re building with animals, and another Matthias story about why he's a lousy dog trainer.

Erin's Fenzi Dog Sports Academy Classes

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Where we sit down together to talk about our echo chambers, avoiding self-radicalization, and what we both find reinforcing on social media posts.

Also, Matthias unknowingly reveals his dog trainer crush, Lauren confesses to being a lousy dog trainer, and we hash out some potential problems of having your beliefs become your identity.

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Where we sit down with Erika Percival Stark to talk about concerns with AI, how we might use AI ethically to do our metaphorical laundry, and where we might want to tread more carefully.

⁠Erika Stark LinkedIn

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Where we sit down together to talk about our first season as people who podcast, Lauren's scepticism of chia seeds, and whether we are as 'balanced' in our training approaches as some might think.

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Where we sit down with Kim Brophey for an edifying discussion about what we should consider when talking about the welfare, well-being, and best interests of the animals we work with and love.

"...and it's interesting, because if we look at the incredible rise in behavior problems, and the severity, the increased and severity of behavior problems, it goes in tandem with the increased level of captivity that has been imposed upon pet dogs. And that shouldn't be surprising if we're looking at it through the lens of applied ethology."

Also, a brief interlude for a yard bear, 'diseases of domestication', and the difference between hiding symptoms and finding cures.

Kim's website

Family Dog Mediation Professional LEGS Course (Kim has very kindly offered up a discount code dogandpony for 30% off the main LEGS course and the bundle with The Hacky Pack (including payment plan options))

The Dog's Truth video

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Where we sit down with Sarah Dixon for a frank discussion about a harm-reduction approach to animal training, why our reinforcement-minded messaging is failing to reach the right people--our animal-owning clients, and the benefits of gap-bridging.

Also, Matthias' gratitude to Sarah for her approach to newbs, Lauren's training-minded adaption of the National Harm Reduction Coalition's guiding principles, and what this episode actually should have been called.

⁠Barks and Recreation website⁠

⁠Sarah's online training school⁠

⁠Lauren's harm reduction principles adaptation⁠

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Where we sit down with Jeff Silverman for a discussion about the benefits of allowing the owner to be the main decision maker in the owner-trainer business relationship, the perils of ignoring the end user's needs, and ways to honour what the client really wants while also meeting the animal's needs.

"My clients are the experts in what they need, and I am the expert in what is possible."

Also, the reality that your client is likely not a big ol' training nerd, Matthias' reflection on his use of the word 'lazy' in the last episode, and Lauren's post-recording realization that we could make an effective podcast drinking game by taking a drink every time she blames certifying bodies for things. Sorry, Listeners!

Training Tracks

Goal Orientated Approach Article

Training Tracks Website

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Where we sit down in a cheap motel room with Dr David Lane for a discussion about some differences in how we approach animals for veterinary care and training or behaviour modification work: giving clients treatment options and causing animals tolerable stress or discomfort.

Also, having the willingness to refer to another professional if something is outside of your wheelhouse, respecting client autonomy, and the difficulties of trusting professionals to do their work.

⁠Predation Substitute Training⁠

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Where we sit down with Dr Sam Couper for a discussion about what science is (and isn't), and how research about training and behaviour may (or may not) be relevant to our work as boots-on-the-ground animal training and behaviour professionals.

Also, Lauren's justification for feeding dogs ice cream cones, 'publish or perish' in academia, and a case for the dreaded 'doing your own research'.

Sam's website

Sam's IG

Sam's Facebook

Sam's TikTok

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