Know the Rules of the GameⓇ Podcast for Leadership Through Turbulent Times, with your host Desiree Patno, NAWRB CEO & President, and special guests Noel Massie, Author, Speaker and Retired UPS Vice President of U.S. Operations, and Kellie Aamodt, Board Member of Marine Research and Exploration (MARE), NAWRB Diversity & Inclusion Leadership Council (NDILC) Member and Retired UPS Vice President of Corporate Inside Sales. “The amount of ‘Times’ your people will support a lack of clarity, poor communication and you leading from a distance? NONE TIMES!,” states Noel Massie.