Ooof! This is a big topic today, and one we've been wanting to put out for a while.

Between our mid 30s and mid 40s most women are preoccupied with a big decision - whether or not to have children. The decision is complicated: while it's partly in our hands, it's also, in many ways totally not.

We wanted to have a frank discussion about what it means to be in this time of deliberation, how we personally navigate the uncertainty, and the opportunity we have to build a new narrative for childfree women.

In this podcast we discuss:

Both our current (but ever-changing) perspectives on whether we want to have children

What the benefits could be of not having children

What we've learned from older women who are child free

The danger of the panic years

Whether it's as simple as family vs freedom, or if it's more nuanced than that

Should we all be mothers anyway?

Whether men have a ticking clock

Towards a more open idea of what family can mean

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Editor - Johnny Hall / Music - Sarah Weiler / Artwork - Tom Pauling

The song at the end is Hand in my Pocket by Alanis Morissette - Kim on vocals and Sarah on keys.

This was recorded in November 2022

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