Lis and Claire talk to Ash Rowden - the much loved by C Block Premiership referee. We ask him about his beloved Rams, his career, that penalty advantage in the U20s and how advantage is refereed. Ash tells us who was the worst player to referee, his favourite ground to referee at and his favourite ground to watch rugby.

And we have all the usual Ladies Wot Pod stuff.

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