On this episode of the Larger Than Logic Podcast, Avery and his friend Emari sit down for a candid conversation about what it feels like to walk into workplaces, church communities, and family spaces where the dominant culture or background isn't your own.
When you grow up in one environment—like the DMV, where success, culture, and identity feel normal—and then step into another, it can feel like the rules change overnight. Respect that others receive freely sometimes feels like something you have to perform for, fight for, or over-explain just to earn.
Together, Avery and Emari talk about:
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The tension of feeling misunderstood or mislabeled in professional or faith spaces.
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How people from different backgrounds may compete with or diminish your voice.
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The mental weight of trying to balance authenticity with acceptance.
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Why looking for constant validation is draining—and dangerous.
But this conversation doesn't stop at the challenge. It also offers a way forward:
Drawing from Ryan Leake's book How to Work with Complicated People, Avery and Emari explore:
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Why everyone is complicated to somebody.
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The power of curiosity over defensiveness in building bridges.
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How humility and confidence in Christlike leadership help you thrive in any room.
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Practical ways to find common values, shared goals, and respect across differences.
This isn't a lecture—it's a real dialogue between two friends, wrestling with what it means to lead with love, confidence, and humility in environments that don't always understand where you come from.
If you've ever felt like an outsider in the room, this episode will give you both language and tools to engage those spaces with purpose.
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