On this episode of the Campbell Conversations, we bring you another conversation as part of an intermittent series on the tearing down of I-81 in Syracuse and the rebuilding and redevelopment of its on-the-ground footprint. Grant Reeher speaks with Larry Vale, Ford Professor of Urban Design and Planning at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He's also the author of, "Purging the Poorest: Public Housing and the Design Politics of Twice-Cleared Communities".