Join Thomas for a compelling conversation with Laura Eshelby, former Cabinet Office counter fraud leader, as she unpacks two decades on the front lines of the UK’s fight against fraud. Starting her career as a graduate trainee and auditor, Laura quickly rose through the ranks to lead complex financial investigations into high-value legal aid fraud.

Together, they explore how fraud has transformed - from paper-based deception to high-tech crime fuelled by AI, deepfakes, and digital identity theft. Laura shares why fraud is no longer just a financial issue, but a systemic challenge that demands cultural change, cross-sector intelligence sharing, and smarter investment in prevention.

They also discuss the barriers to effective fraud response, the promise and peril of emerging technologies, and why breaking down silos across government and industry is essential for staying ahead of increasingly sophisticated criminal networks.

It’s a candid look at the evolving nature of fraud - and what it will take to fight back in a world where truth is harder than ever to verify.