Marketers are asked to build brand and drive results all at once. But doing both well starts with knowing how lead gen and demand gen really work, and how to use them together. Allen talks with Gorilla 76’s Aren Buresh and Peyton Warren about what’s changed in 2025, what still works, and how to tell if your brand is ready. You’ll leave with clear, actionable advice and a smarter way to think about your funnel.