Lead With More: Character-Driven Leadership for Today's Leaders

Lead With More Podcast Episode 48

Lead with Character; Build a Culture People Choose

What does a leader do when the plan disappears and there’s no guaranteed way home? In this episode of Lead With More, Tom talks with David Knoff, a former Australian Army infantry officer, diplomat, and Antarctic Station Leader at Davis Station, about leading a team of 24 through the longest continuous Australian Antarctic mission in modern history, when the pandemic derailed the trip home.

David shares the moment he got the news, why he had to lead himself before he could lead anyone else, and what he learned from the days he got it wrong. He explains how a weekly station meeting that felt unproductive built the culture his team needed, why he let people vent and then gave them a day off, and why his core leadership principle is to be a good team member first.

You’ll also hear how David now brings these lessons to leaders and organizations through workshops and keynotes, and how to apply them when your own plan falls apart.

Connect with David: davidknoff.com

Timestamps:

00:00 Opening
00:26 Leading When the Plan Disappears: Meet David Knoff
01:12 Setting the Scene: A 12-Month Antarctic Deployment
04:23 When the Pandemic Reached Antarctica
07:15 The Call That Changed Everything: No Guaranteed Way Home
09:03 Leading Yourself First When The News Breaks
11:22 Making Peace With the Challenge on the Hardest Days
14:14 Crisis Leadership vs. Team Leadership: Army and Antarctic Lessons
16:59 Building Team Culture With No End Date
18:07 Sphere of Control: Managing the "What Ifs"
19:44 Letting Team Members Vent (And Giving Them A Day Off)
20:38 Feedback and the Friday Station Meeting That Built Culture
23:41 Bringing Antarctic Leadership Lessons Into Everyday Business
25:05 Leading When You Don't Have The Answers: The Role-Play
27:28 From Antarctica to the Speaking Stage
29:47 Antarctica vs. War Zones: Why Remote Leadership is Different
33:34 When Leading Yourself Fails: "Get Yourself Right"
36:20 Who David Works With: Executives, Emerging Leaders, Students
38:14 Pause the Technical Work: Comfort Zones and People First
40:18 Take the Mental Break: The Friday Afternoon Rule
41:27 One Takeaway: Be a Good Team Member First
42:47 Closing Thoughts and How to Connect With David

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Lead With More Podcast Episode 47

Lead with Character; Build a Culture People Choose

Most leaders can tell you their company's mission. Far fewer can tell you their own, and many don't discover the difference until life forces the question.

In this episode, Tom DeBell sits down with Tim Kelley, creator of the True Purpose process and author of True Purpose (second edition). Tim has spent more than 20 years coaching senior executives, government officials, and presidential candidates, and has guided purpose work for around 100 organizations worldwide.

Tim explains why uncertainty pushes leaders into survival mode, and why a clear purpose works as a north star when forecasts fail. He breaks down why most corporate mission statements inspire no one, and what happens when personal, leader, and company purpose finally align. Tom shares how his own second season of life revealed a purpose not tied to his company. Tim also explains why younger leaders don't have to wait, why trust and psychological safety come first, and why purpose-driven culture can solve retention problems that pay raises can't.

Try Tim's 10-second exercise: how purposeful are you being at work right now?

Find Tim Kelley at www.canceledleader.com.

Timestamps:

00:00 Opening Preview
00:29 Find Your Leadership Purpose Before Life Forces You To
01:41 Why Hard-Working Leaders Still Drift
02:58 How Uncertainty Hijacks Your Leadership Brain
04:59 Purpose as Your North Star
05:52 Why Most Purpose Statements Fall Flat
08:00 Why You Can't Find Your Purpose Alone
11:12 The Wrong Kind of Mission Statement
13:39 Personal Purpose vs. Company Purpose
15:57 What Purpose-Driven Culture Looks Like
17:18 The Second Season: From Achievement to Meaning
20:02 Can Younger Leaders Find Their Purpose Now?
21:18 Why Pay Raises Won't Fix Retention
23:20 When Employees Don't Align With the Company's Purpose
27:37 Do Employees Really Care About Purpose?
28:35 Why Trust and Psychological Safety Come First
30:07 Where to Start: Your Own Purpose First
34:49 Want Better Employees? Become a Better Leader
36:27 Tim's 10-Second Purpose Exercise

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Lead With More Podcast Episode 46

Lead with Character; Build a Culture People Choose

Why do capable leaders struggle, or fail, after stepping into a bigger role? It's rarely their skills. In this episode, Tom DeBell sits down with Steve Moss, four-time Chief Marketing Officer and founder of Executive Springboard, a global network of more than 100 executive mentors in 14 countries. Steve shares what he learned from lasting only 18 months in his final CMO role, and why it took him two years of reflection to understand what went wrong.

Tom and Steve unpack why imposter syndrome is really a signal to get into learning mode, why new leaders need to stop selling themselves, and how a listening tour only builds trust if you close the loop. Steve walks through five factors behind success in senior roles: coachability, emotional intelligence, cultural agility, political savvy, and change management. They also explore the other end of the career arc: what happens to your identity when the title is gone.

Connect with Steve Moss: execspringboard.com | [email protected]

Timestamps:

00:00 Opening Preview
00:23 Who Are You When The Pressure Is On?
01:39 Imposter Syndrome in a New Leadership Role
04:01 Learning the Culture and Web of Influence
06:25 The Listening Tour: Stop Selling Yourself
07:57 4-Time CMO: Lasting Only 18 Months
10:05 The Leadership Mask and the Fog of Pressure
11:21 Why the 18-Month Mark Makes or Breaks Leaders
12:57 Why Leaders Fail: Leadership, Not Skills
14:01 5 Factors for Success in a Senior Role
19:35 Coachability: Dropping the CEO Rhetoric
22:34 Closing the Loop After a Listening Tour
24:41 Comfort Zones and Leadership Growth
27:44 Executive Springboard: Mentors for Career Transitions
31:21 Losing Power: Identity After the Title
33:25 Steve's Story: Feeling Like a Zombie at 36
36:32 Why Great Coaching Transcends Industry
40:14 Connect with Steve Moss
40:56 Closing Thought: Authenticity in Leadership

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 45

Would you rather think, or would you rather know? Executive coach Steve Barton says most leaders lead with thought, and that thought is what blocks their awareness.

Steve Barton is an executive coach, author, and creator of The Game of Ten®, a powerful awareness-based framework helping leaders operate at their highest level of clarity, confidence, and performance. Steve has over 47 years of real-world business experience, having grown a company from $200K to $2 million in annual revenue. His work blends practical business strategy with deep insight into human awareness, decision-making, and emotional intelligence.

Steve is the co-author of The Father, The Son, and The Aha Moment, and is currently writing his next book focused on helping leaders and professionals develop the mindset, emotional clarity, and inner alignment needed to succeed in both business and life.
Through The Game of Ten®, Steve teaches that when we understand how the mind works and learn how to let go of limiting thought patterns, we unlock a level of effectiveness, fulfillment, and leadership that many people spend their entire lives searching for.

Connect with Steve Barton: https://www.stevebartoncoaching.com/

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction
00:30 Welcome Steve Barton to Lead With More
02:07 Why Awareness Is Critical for Leadership
02:57 Would You Rather Think or Know?
05:01 Boundaries, Respect, and Love in Leadership
06:57 Overthinking vs. Intuition: Letting Go to Expand Awareness
09:39 Negativity, the News Cycle, and Our Addiction to Drama
12:32 You Are Not Your Thoughts: Ego and the Inner Child
14:56 Can You Convince Someone They Need Self-Awareness?
17:12 Overwhelm vs. "Whelm" and Why You Can't Think Your Way to Ten
18:36 Common Sense, Intuition, and Knowing Your Culture
21:11 The 1-10 Check: Happy, Healthy, Wealthy, Healed, and Whole
23:51 The Game of 10: Six Phrases
25:02 The Universal Quantity: "Enough"
27:39 Scarcity, Wealth, and the Awareness to Manage It
30:11 What Leaders Are Really Looking For: Inner Peace
32:04 Steve's Message: Common-Sense Spirituality in Business
34:07 "Tencare": Caring Without Attachment
36:05 Problems vs. Situations: Leading From Awareness
38:08 Committing to Happiness Through Tough Times
38:54 Growing Pains: Turning Fear Into Excitement
40:25 Keep the Conversation Open: Weed Your Garden of Thoughts
43:40 Closing Thoughts and Thanks

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 44

In this episode, Tom shares two back-to-back moments that revealed his own comfort zone: unexplained stress over routine travel, and unease about a speaking topic outside his usual lane. One simple question cracked open the real answer: it was never the logistics. It was the comfort he didn't want to give up.

Tom breaks down why avoidance rarely looks like avoidance — it looks like preference, prudence, or preparation — and why the small discomforts you sidestep today (a routine, an unfamiliar task) can train you to avoid the bigger ones tomorrow, including the difficult conversations your leadership can't afford to skip. A short, direct episode on catching your own blind spots before they compound.

Timestamps:

00:00 I Coach This, I Still Fell For It
00:26 The Backstory: Two Stressful Events
00:54 Why the Travel Stress Didn't Add Up
01:30 The Speaking Opportunity Outside My Lane
01:58 The Question That Changed Everything
02:22 The Real Reason: I Didn't Want to Leave Home
03:00 Admitting I Broke My Own "No Pain, No Gain" Rule
03:57 How Small Discomforts Become Big Avoidance
04:32 What I Did Next: Moving Through It
05:20 The Payoff: What The Discomfort Revealed
05:42 What You Should Take Away
06:15 Closing Thoughts & What's Coming Next
06:42 Conclusion and Call to Action

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 43

What can a funeral director teach you about integrity? In this episode, Tom sits down with Jay Jacobson — business owner, consultant, author of Lead by Legendary Example — for a conversation that started as an extension of integrity and opened into something bigger.

Jay shares how leading the response to the United Flight 232 crash in Sioux City, Iowa, and later testifying before the U.S. Senate on funeral ethics, shaped his understanding that integrity isn't a single trait — it's built in the small decisions nobody sees. The conversation moves from trust and presence to why the next generation struggles with eye contact, and why rest isn't optional for leaders who want to stay whole.

Connect with Jay at JacobsonProStaff.com and find Lead by Legendary Example on Amazon and Apple Books, in print and audio.

Timestamps:
00:27 Welcome & Meet Jay Jacobson
01:35 45 Years in Funeral Service: Disasters, Senate Testimony & Mentorship
03:35 Sioux City: Servant Leadership Under Pressure
04:43 Lead By Legendary Example: Stories Over Frameworks
06:27 The Six Pillars of Leadership
10:20 Testifying Before the Senate on Funeral Ethics
12:46 The Reagan Quote: Solving Problems Without Needing Credit
13:34 Why Integrity Isn't Static - It Grows
14:21 Integrity Doesn't Erode, It Leaks
16:56 From Integrity to Presence: Jay's Post-Sioux City Story
19:18 Rest, Burnout & Integrity
21:15 Why These Principles Transcend Every Industry
25:33 Presence in the Age of Screens (The Anxious Generation)
27:20 Eye Contact: The First Sign of Integrity
30:00 Connect with Jay & His Book
32:34 Final Takeaway: "Be Where Your Feet Are"

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 42

In this episode, Tom breaks down a word most leaders think they already understand — integrity — and shows why it's actually three separate qualities, not one: incorruptibility (telling the truth even when a lie would protect you), soundness (holding up under real, sustained pressure), and wholeness (being the same person in every room you walk into). Tom shares a personal story of catching himself shading the truth to protect his own reputation, plus a hard-earned lesson on structural integrity under pressure from his years managing hurricane recovery in the utility industry. This episode builds on the "who are you depending on the room" idea first explored in Episode 39 — link below. You'll walk away with one honest question to sit with this week, and one action step to actually close the gap.

Link to Episode 39: https://youtu.be/xCVqKRBtPKw

Timestamps:

00:00 The Blind Spot In Your Own Character
00:31 Welcome Back: What We're Unpacking Today
00:47 Definition 1 - True: Firm Adherence to a Moral Code
02:27 Definition 2 - Sound: An Unimpaired Condition
03:41 Storm-Tested: A Real Load Test of Leadership
04:18 Definition 3 - Whole: Complete and Undivided
05:25 Why Most Leaders Only Have One Working
06:12 The One Question That Finds Your Blind Spot
06:53 The One Action to Close The Gap

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 41

This episode of the Lead With More podcast breaks down the difference between healthy solitude and dangerous isolation. It matters because leaders can mistake being thoughtful and independent for being appropriately supported, when they may actually be drifting without anyone close enough to challenge their thinking. Tom shares a personal example of sitting on a high-stakes decision for days without calling anyone, then shows how a peer, mentor, or coach can interrupt that drift before it costs clarity and judgment.

Timestamps:

00:00 The Decision I Sat On Alone
00:39 Welcome & Episode Intro
00:52 What Isolation Actually Costs
01:42 Solitude vs. Isolation: The Real Difference
02:26 Why It's Harder to Spot At The Top
03:12 Finding A Coach I Could Trust
04:13 The Fix: Peer, Mentor, Coach
05:11 Your Next Step

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Sudden, disruptive change doesn't always call for a fast decision — and treating it like one can cost you clarity when you need it most. In this episode, Tom breaks down the difference between tactical emergencies that demand immediate action and identity-level disruption — a layoff, a business shift, a life event — that calls for something else entirely: solitude.

Tom walks through the exact three-step protocol he uses when life falls apart: getting truly alone (a half-day minimum, a full day as his real standard), running a foundations audit across identity, purpose, and focus, and refusing to leave that space without at least one concrete next step. He shares a real, still-unfolding example of applying this protocol to a recent business opportunity that forced him to rethink his direction — including where a quick tactical response and the longer solitude process worked together.

This episode isn't a replacement for professional counseling, especially where health is involved — it's a practical protocol for the disruptive changes many leaders face in work and life.

For more information on my planning processes, see these episodes:

Episode 5: https://youtu.be/pUDaCm_QxI0

Episode 34: https://youtu.be/F6pm5-qCRts

Timestamps:

00:00 The Story That Started This Episode
00:40 Two Kinds of "Sudden" - And Why This Isn't Counseling
02:17 Step 1: Get Alone - For Real
03:30 Step 2: The Foundations Audit
05:12 Step 3: Don't Leave Without a Next Step
06:17 A Real Example: A Business Shift Still in Progress
08:32 Why This Leans on Your Focus Framework
08:54 Get Quiet Before You React

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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Episode 39

Most leaders can name their stated values without hesitation. But there's one value running underneath all of them that rarely gets named — and left unchecked, it can quietly override everything else you claim to stand for: valuing what other people think of you.

In this Further episode, Tom returns to the conversation from Episode 6 to name that hidden value directly — and to draw a hard line between adapting to genuinely connect with people and shape-shifting so they'll approve of you. The two can look identical from the outside. The difference is what's actually driving it, and why watching your behavior — not your motives — is the only reliable way to catch it in yourself.

Tom also shares a personal example of how to stay authentic in a room where your experience doesn't naturally fit, without faking connection or staying away.

This Further episode builds on Episode 6: The Leadership Shadow (with John Miner) — listen here first: https://youtu.be/SB-jv8EQ4t4

Timestamps:

00:00 The Hidden Value Leaders Never Name
01:14 Naming the Hidden Value: Wanting to Be Liked
01:56 Why This Value Hides From You
02:48 Adapting to Connect vs. Shape-Shifting for Approval
04:06 The Problem With Self-Diagnosing Motive
04:57 Back to Episode 6: Character as Alignment
05:19 What Healthy Adaptation Actually Looks Like
06:21 This Week's Action Step
06:56 Closing Thoughts & What's Next

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Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer/Consultant, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here:

https://www.modernleadershipsolutions.com

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