CC was a classmate when we were still doing our MBA at the Asian Institute of Management many years ago. He was the top honcho of a pharmaceutical company, eventually bought by a giant in the healthcare industry. In this podcast, we talked about leadership in times of change, and life lessons in his experience of rising to the very top of the corporate ladder. We also spoke about how to lead during the chaos of COVID-19. There were 2 very important lessons he shared, and I hope you find these useful for your own leadership journey.