Adriaan chats to Dr Paddy Pampallis from The Coaching Centre and The Integral African Institute. They focus on the latest leadership measurement tool/system called the Leadership Maturity Framework. It identifies a leader's maturity and development areas, in the context of their environment. They look at case studies: President Zuma, Julius Malema, Mmusi Maimane, corporate leaders and more. www.cliffcentral.com