How do we change our way of life, one conversation at a time? Today we’re joined by two women - Kathy Kelly and Jane Caro - who have, in their own ways, played a pivotal role in changing the culture in our community in different ways.

Kathy Kelly is mum to Thomas and Stuart Kelly and in 2012 received that phone call every parent dreads. Thomas had been killed after an unprovoked and fatal attack at Sydney's Kings Cross. Four years later their younger son, Stuart, took his own life. Both boys were 18 years old. After Thomas was killed, Kathy and her husband Ralph began speaking started speaking about their experience, which gathered community support leading to widespread changes around alcohol-fuelled violence.

Jane Caro is a Walkley Award winning columnist, author, broadcaster, documentary maker, feminist and social commentator. She shares her views on how the language and stories we share need to change if we are to see an end to domestic and family violence in our community.

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