In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish speaks with Dr. Mel Rutherford about leading through crisis, identity, and organizational transformation, drawing from his book The Glass Cliff: One Trans Man’s Leadership Odyssey.

The conversation explores the “glass cliff” phenomenon, where leaders from marginalized groups are often placed into high-risk leadership roles during periods of instability. Dr. Rutherford shares lived experience from stepping into a department chair role during a crisis and reflects on how leadership is shaped under pressure.

Together, they examine how effective leadership is built through slowing down, listening deeply, and aligning decisions with shared values. The discussion highlights consensus-driven leadership, compassionate accountability, and practical approaches for navigating uncertainty with clarity and integrity.

Key themes include crisis leadership, values-based decision-making, trust-building, and leading complex teams through change while staying grounded in purpose and people.

Dr. Rutherford’s book is available here: http://experimentalleader.com/melrutherford

Catch his book tour here: https://www.melanieparish.com/events/

Get free access to the Leadership Blueprint using the code "ODYSSEY": https://www.experimentalacademy.com/leadership-blueprint

This episode offers a grounded exploration of leadership under pressure and invites listeners to rethink how leaders are selected, supported, and sustained in times of uncertainty.