The Experimental Leader

The Experimental Leader

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The Experimental Leader episodes

  • Skill Up: Communicating Through the Holidays

    In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford explore how communication is a leadership skill we can continually develop to navigate different priorities, expectations, and responsibilities.


    From coordinating family holiday plans to managing workplace schedules and holiday coverage, clear communication helps prevent misunderstandings, reduce tension, and ensure everyone feels heard and included.


    Discover how collaborative planning, open conversations, and understanding what matters to others can transform the way we work together, celebrate together, and lead through the holiday season.


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    Because great leadership starts with how we communicate.


    Keep experimenting. Keep communicating. Keep leading.

    6 min
  • Traps and Tricks: When to Ask, When to Decide

    When should a leader ask for input, and when is it better to simply make the decision?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore one of the trickier parts of leadership: knowing when collaboration is helpful and when asking for input can actually create confusion, frustration, or a false sense of shared decision-making.


    They unpack the difference between consulting, collaborating, and deciding, and why leaders need to understand their own decision-making authority before asking others for their opinions. If a leader already knows the decision is going forward, asking for input without being clear about what can actually change can erode trust.


    Melanie and Mel discuss when leaders should involve people who are directly affected by a decision, why routine or preference-based decisions rarely require broad consultation, and how hiring decisions can benefit from input from the people who will actually work with a candidate.


    They also explore how decision-making changes depending on the organizational context, from academic shared governance to startups and owner-led businesses.


    The takeaway? Before you ask, know what you are asking for, who needs to be involved, and what you are willing or able to change.


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    12 min
  • Rethinking Age in the Workplace with Dan Pontefract

    What if one of the biggest untapped resources in today’s workplace isn’t technology, but experience?

    In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford sit down with leadership strategist and author Dan Pontefract to rethink age, experience, longevity, and the future of work.


    This conversation invites leaders to ask an important question: What could your organization gain if you stopped treating age as a limitation and started treating experience as an asset?


    🎧 Listen now and keep experimenting with your leadership.


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    30 min
  • Skill Up: Leadership at the Dinner Table

    Leadership doesn’t stop when the meeting ends. Sometimes, it shows up around the dinner table.


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford explore how leaders can intentionally shape informal gatherings, business dinners, and social events to create connection, inclusion, and meaningful conversation.


    From choosing the right seating arrangement to managing alcohol, guiding table etiquette, and making thoughtful introductions, seemingly small decisions can have a significant impact on how comfortable and included people feel.


    In this episode, you’ll learn how to:


    • Intentionally curate social and business gatherings.
    • Use seating arrangements to encourage connection and conversation.
    • Set clear expectations around alcohol and event structure.
    • Navigate business etiquette in ways that support inclusion.
    • Help people from different cultural, class, and social backgrounds feel more comfortable.
    • Use meals and informal gatherings as opportunities for mentorship and leadership development.


    Because great hosting is more than good manners—it’s leadership in action.


    Listen now and Skill Up on how to lead beyond the boardroom.


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    15 min
  • Traps and Tricks: Turning Employee Exits into Cultural Wins

    What happens to your organizational culture when a valued employee leaves?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore one of the often-overlooked moments in leadership: how we handle employee departures. Even when an exit is complicated by frustration, conflict, or disappointment, the way leaders respond sends a powerful message to the people who remain.


    Mel and Melanie discuss why failing to acknowledge an employee’s contributions can become a cultural trap—and how thoughtful, authentic recognition can turn a departure into an opportunity to reinforce what your organization values.

    You’ll hear practical insights on how to:


    • Recognize an employee’s contribution, even when the ending isn’t perfect.
    • Understand what remaining employees are watching when someone leaves.
    • Protect and strengthen organizational culture during times of transition.
    • Separate gratitude for someone’s contribution from the circumstances of their departure.
    • Support the idea that people can grow beyond an organization—and that this can be a sign of healthy leadership.

    A good goodbye isn’t just about the person who is leaving. It’s also about the people who stay and the culture you are continuing to build.


    Listen to this episode of The Experimental Leader and consider: What message does your organization send when someone walks out the door?


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    Keep experimenting. Keep learning. Keep leading.

    6 min
  • Digital Detox & Thoughtload with Liane Davey

    What if feeling overwhelmed isn’t really about your workload but your thought load?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford sit down with leadership expert Liane Davey to explore the invisible mental and emotional demands that can leave leaders and teams feeling depleted, distracted, and overwhelmed.


    Liane introduces the concept of thought load, which goes beyond the traditional idea of workload. Thought load is created by the combination of rising cognitive demands, emotional burdens, and depleted energy reserves and it can quietly affect our performance, relationships, decision-making, and ability to engage in productive conflict.


    Liane shares her own experiment with a two-week digital and mental reset, including silent walks, coloring, and intentional periods of zero input. The goal isn’t to eliminate thoughts, but to create enough space for deeper processing, new connections, emotional regulation, and renewed energy.


    The conversation also explores how digital overstimulation, remote work, smartphones, and even AI can impact the way we think, connect, learn, and process information. Liane challenges us to consider whether our constant access to information is helping us think better or encouraging us to surrender some of the deeper cognitive work that makes us curious, creative, and thoughtful.


    You’ll also hear how high thought load can contribute to conflict debt, why workplaces may be missing opportunities for informal learning, and what leaders can do to make thought load more manageable and purposeful.


    In this episode, you’ll discover:


    • What thought load is and why it matters for leaders
    • The connection between cognitive demands, emotional burdens, and energy
    • How digital overstimulation contributes to mental overload
    • Practical ways to create space for deeper thinking and processing
    • Why unresolved conflict can increase thought load
    • How remote work has changed informal learning and connection
    • The potential risks of relying too heavily on AI
    • How leaders can redirect thought load toward meaningful work, relationships, and contribution


    If you’ve ever felt busy without knowing exactly why you’re exhausted, this conversation offers a new way to understand what may be happening beneath the surface.


    Listen now and keep experimenting with your leadership.


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    35 min
  • Skill Up: Hiring Beyond Your Bias

    Are you hiring people who truly fit the role or simply people who feel familiar?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Mel Rutherford and Melanie Parish explore one of the most common leadership traps: hiring people who think, work, and lead just like you. While it may feel comfortable, it can limit innovation, collaboration, and long-term organizational success.


    Melanie shares how leaders can make more intentional hiring decisions by understanding personality preferences, using tools like DISC to define role requirements, and recognizing when bias may be influencing their choices. The conversation also explores how to navigate limited talent pools, when it's worth extending a search for the right candidate, and why developing skills is often easier than changing natural behavioral preferences.


    Whether you're hiring your first employee or building a high-performing leadership team, this episode offers practical insights to help you make better hiring decisions and create stronger, more balanced teams.


    In this episode, you'll learn:


    • Why leaders naturally hire people who are similar to themselves
    • How diverse personalities strengthen organizational performance
    • How DISC can support smarter hiring decisions
    • What to do when the ideal candidate doesn't appear
    • The difference between developing skills and changing personality preferences
    • How curiosity can help reduce unconscious hiring bias


    Listen now and start experimenting with hiring practices that build stronger teams, better collaboration, and lasting leadership success.


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    11 min
  • Traps and Tricks: Vision vs. Volume

    What happens when everything is a priority?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore one of the most common leadership traps: creating urgency without providing clarity. When leaders assign too much work without clear priorities, employees are left to sort through competing demands, often leading to stress, rework, and reduced productivity.


    Melanie shares practical strategies for shifting from constant firefighting to intentional leadership, including collaborative prioritization, better communication, regular check-ins, and empowering teams to manage execution while leaders focus on vision.


    Whether you lead a team of two or two hundred, this conversation will help you reduce overwhelm, build trust, and create a healthier, more effective way of working.


    In this episode, you'll learn:


    • Why making everything "urgent" slows teams down
    • How shared prioritization improves performance
    • The value of frequent check-ins and early feedback
    • Why leaders should focus on vision while teams manage execution
    • How AI may increase urgency—and what leaders can do about it


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    11 min
  • The Hidden Cost of Unclear Expectations with Georgia Thomas

    Unclear expectations can quietly undermine even the strongest teams. Miscommunication, frustration, reduced accountability, and stalled growth often stem from one overlooked leadership challenge: a lack of clarity.


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish, MCC, and Dr. Mel Rutherford, PCC, welcome Georgia Thomas, former corporate lawyer, entrepreneur, and multi-business founder, to explore how leaders can build healthier, high-performing organizations by creating clear expectations from the start.


    Georgia shares the framework she uses to help founders transition from overwhelmed operators to intentional CEOs. Through her practical Expectations Document, she demonstrates how defining roles, responsibilities, success measures, and core values creates alignment, strengthens communication, and empowers teams to perform at their best.


    The conversation also explores why supporting a leader's vision matters, how learning to say no is an essential leadership skill, and why leadership is an ongoing experiment in creating clarity and trust.


    In this episode, you'll discover:


    • The hidden costs of unclear expectations in leadership and business

    • How to align teams around shared goals and company values

    • A simple framework for improving accountability and communication

    • Why every leader should define success before measuring performance

    • How founders can build sustainable businesses through intentional leadership

    • The role of two-way communication in creating high-performing teams

    • Practical strategies for reducing confusion and increasing team alignment


    Whether you're a business owner, executive, people leader, entrepreneur, or coach, this episode offers actionable leadership insights that will help your team communicate more effectively, work with greater confidence, and stay aligned around a shared vision.



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    16 min
  • Traps and Tricks: From Breakdown to Breakthrough

    What if your biggest leadership challenge becomes your greatest opportunity?


    In this episode of The Experimental Leader Podcast, Melanie Parish and Mel Rutherford explore how unexpected setbacks can become "lucky disasters" when leaders approach them with curiosity, resilience, and a willingness to adapt. Through personal stories—including an ice storm that sent a tree crashing into a swimming pool and a cross-country camping trip interrupted by a broken axle—they reveal practical lessons for navigating uncertainty without losing momentum.


    Discover why effective leaders prepare for the unexpected, avoid operating at maximum capacity, and create organizations that can respond with confidence instead of panic. Learn how strategic thinking, teamwork, and a resilient mindset transform breakdowns into breakthroughs that strengthen both leaders and their teams.


    Whether you're leading an organization, managing a team, or developing your own leadership skills, this conversation offers practical insights for navigating change, overcoming setbacks, and building a culture that thrives under pressure.


    In this episode, you'll learn:


    • How to turn unexpected challenges into leadership opportunities

    • Why resilience is one of the most important leadership skills

    • The power of curiosity during organizational crises

    • How to prepare your team before disaster strikes

    • Practical strategies for leading through uncertainty and change


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    20 min

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