Lee wanted to talk about his father for Father's Day, and Brett was willing to interview him about it. Gene Ingalls was an amazing guy! Father to eight kids, he held many jobs and played music in his spare time (?). This is a podcast exclusive, since these details were not in either of the books! Oh, and we were married in 2014 in Minnesota. Lee may say 2024 in this episode. Ignore any mental blips! We got some years behind us!