Arafat Mazhar comes back on The Pakistan Experience with the Lead Animator, Haseeb Rehman, to discuss how Swipe, the film, came to be.  Starting the discussion from the legacy of Khadim Hussain Rizvi, we go into a deep masterclass on animation with Haseeb showing us the entire process, from hand drawing the paintings to the final animation.

We end with a poignant discussion on religious extremism, the fight for the narrative of ishq, and empathy for the future generations.   The Pakistan Experience is a podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan, and Pakistanis, through the lost art of conversation.