Penn Jillette of magician duo Penn & Teller discusses his journey from a religious upbringing in Greenfield, Massachusetts, to becoming a successful magician. He recounts his parents' departure from their church over its intolerant stance towards a lesbian pastor. Jillette shares his early dislike for magic, his street performing days, and his eventual partnership with Teller. He reflects on their rise to fame, their unique act, and their reluctance to perform on Broadway. Jillette also criticizes Donald Trump's lack of shame and his inappropriate comments about him, emphasizing the importance of integrity in leadership. Penn Jillette discusses the challenges of accepting the current political climate, emphasizing the importance of human decency and kindness. He shares a thought experiment about trusting strangers, highlighting the inherent goodness of people. Jillette contrasts his philosophy with David Blaine's view on magic, stressing the importance of truth and understanding. He also touches on the complexities of hypnosis and consciousness, noting the scientific uncertainties. The conversation concludes with admiration for Jillette and Teller's 50-year friendship and success, and a mention of Jillette's new book, "Felony Juggler."