In this episode Jeremy Toeman sits down with peer, mentor, and parenting friend Leslie Fine. Leslie is a behavioral scientist turned product leader/coach who’s been a Chief Scientist at Crowdcast and a VP Products at Salesforce. They discuss…

• How Leslie’s background in behavioral economics shaped her approach to product and team building

• Lessons from building B2B products that prioritize user empathy over feature bloat

• Why she believes understanding user psychology is the most underrated skill in tech

• How becoming a founder later in life helped her apply decades of experience with a fresh perspective

• The importance of asking better questions in product discovery and leadership

• What she’s learned from navigating high-growth environments and finding the right problems to solve

You’ll also hear how Leslie applies frameworks from behavioral science to everything from hiring to startup pivots and why slowing down might be the fastest way to get it right.

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