I think the interaction Jack Kornfield had with the koans was with Master Suzuki Roshi, but I could be mistaken.

5 hindrances
Sensual Desire
Ill will / Aversion
Dullness / Heaviness
Restlessness
Skeptical Doubt

R: Recognize
A: Accept
I: Investigate
N: Non-Identify

Navy Seal
O: Observe
O: Orient
D: Decide
A: Act

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-079YIasck&t=586s&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/heart-wisdom-with-jack-kornfield/id923017416?i=1000443601246